Henry K. Thaw as the Trump of the Early 1900s


I focused a lot on Henry K. Thaw in my last blog post, talking about how Doctorow uses the contrast between him and Houdini to create a social commentary on the state of class in the United States. However, the more I think about Thaw and his situation, the more frustrated I get. To me, it shows continuation of the class privilege in America. We briefly touched on this in some of our class discussions, but his immense power and privilege that he gets from his money and class status separates him from the rest of society, even when in jail. In Ragtime, Doctorow uses Thaw as a contrast between the working class immigrant communities in New York at the turn of the century, during the first big surge of capitalism in America and the class inequity that comes with it. Yet, what I keep coming back to is the fact that in real life in the early 1900s, Thaw shot and killed Stanford White in public and in front of witnesses, and still got away with it.
I know that Doctorow had a whole plan to use this storyline to criticize the privilege that a capitalist society grants those at the very top that pertained to both the time periods of the early 1900s as well as the early 1970s when the book was written and published. However, the only connection my brain was able to make was flashing back to 2016 and Trump’s comment that he “could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn’t lose any voters”. Not only is that sentiment in and of itself terrifying, but it’s also ridiculous because in the back of your mind you think that he may not be wrong. Ragtime is almost fifty years old and there’s no way that Doctorow could have predicted a future president of the United States saying anything to that effect, yet his points about Thaw are even more pertinent now than ever.
I would imagine that if someone were to write a modernized version of Ragtime, Trump would make a perfect example of the point that Doctorow is making with Thaw. He “made his own money” (see: inherited millions and was able to further succeed from there) and then was able to turn that privilege around to make him practically immune to the justice system (if the past few weeks don’t highlight this enough for you, maybe remember the Hollywood Access tapes or the fact that he still hasn’t released his tax returns). He then further turns around and uses this power to further benefit himself and others like him, using his wealth to help him win a position of greater power (the presidency) and enact laws and tax policies that go to those as wealthy as he is.
The things that allowed Thaw to get off so easily as well as live in such luxury while in jail were his connections and money, mostly intertwined. He had people able to bring him the things he wanted while in jail, was able to pay off the guards, was able to use his money to convince Evelyn Nesbit to testify for him, as well as hire one of the best attorneys he could, I’m sure. His influence and money were what kept Evelyn under his control and doing his will, even when she was unsure. In the same way, Trump uses his connections and influence to hire lawyers to do his dirty work as well as hide his dirty secrets. In class, we mentioned that through this trial, Evelyn inadvertently became one of the first “reality” stars in the tabloids, famous for being famous. Trump also came into the spotlight in a similar fashion, first with real estate, and later more so with his reality show.
At the end of the day, Trump and Thaw are both rich men who are effectively above the law because of the power their wealth carries within the capitalist society that was and still is the United States, even a century later.

Comments

  1. This is a comparison I hadn't thought of, but it certainly has its merits. I think the multitude of similarities between these two figures shows that wealth in America hasn't really changed over the course of the last century. The rich men of 1908 are very recognizable to us as we read this book, getting away with crimes and rubbing their wealth in the faces of the poor.

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  2. This is a super interesting comparison, and certainly a true one. There are many things that Trump his done that make me question how he can possibly have a chance at winning a reelection. Both Trump and Thaw have used their money and influence to get themselves out of legal troubles. After Trumps racist comments I still can’t believe he was elected president the first time. Someone that spoke and acted like Trump or Thaw that didn’t have their power or money would be viewed as a horrible person. But, I guess as long as you have money, you can do anything.

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  3. This comparison is frighteningly accurate. While Trump was on the campaign trail in 2016 and tons of stories were coming out about his abuses of power, harrassment charges, and tax evasion, I kept wondering when voters would finally realize that enough is enough and refuse to support him. But it almost seems like Trump gains more support with every heinous act. It's as if people are emboldended by his horrible actions, and they're willing to defend him on any charge.

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  4. This is so eerie how closely Thaw and Trump mirror each other. Another parallel between them is their treatment of women. Thaw violently abused and raped Evelyn Nesbit, while Trump has sexually harassed and raped multiple women. As you mention, Thaw essentially pays off Evelyn, just how Trump paid off several women. Neither of these people would've likely gotten away with these actions if they weren't disgustingly wealthy and able to abuse their power and wealth to avoid the consequences of their actions.

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    1. I really do hate that this comparison is true because it demonstrates that horrible people can achieve positions of great respect and power. Charlotte, your connection of the awful crimes against women that both Trump and Thaw has committed almost makes me feel that if we lifted Thaw and made him our president our world wouldn't be too different. After all people describe Trump as unhinged and self-serving and I think that would be the same adjectives people would use to describe Thaw.

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  5. It is scary to think that the United State's President could ever be compared to Harry K. Thaw. Thaw truly is the antithesis of anyone you could think of as "decent." He is insane, treating people like pure garbage and using his money to almost justify it. Donald Trump is similar. Given that Harry K. Thaw is a real person who truly committed the heinous crimes stated in Ragtime, it is scary to see how little the United States has changed, given the things Donald Trump has done.

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  6. I think Trump is a great comparison to Harry K. Thaw. The privilege we see Harry K. Thaw have in Ragtime is the same that we see Trump have 100 years later. The example of Harry K. Thaw paying off Evelyn to help him get our of prison and then leading a parade I think is a great example. Trump did the same thing to multiple women and still was able to win the presidency.

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  7. Very interesting comparison, the two figures seem to have a lot in common. Both of them could get away with just about anything, and even look better for it. I especially think of the very final scene, which describes how Harry Thaw was released from his asylum, and now marches annually at the Armistice Day parade. In spite of his evil figure, he seems to represent the American Spirit in the 20th century, but maybe there's nothing more American than getting away with it.

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  8. I love this comparison. I agree that there are a lot of similarities between Thaw and Trump, and it saddens me to realize that the privilege that Doctorow points out which these rich white men are dripping in has not seemed to change at all in the last 100 years. It's got me thinking, another 100 years from now, are we still going to be in the same situation? it seems like america and it's culture is founded upon this idea of letting the wealthy get away with nearly everything, with the justice system always on their side.

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  9. Nice comparison. It reminds me of one day in class where we tried to think of modern analogous figures to Nesbit and Emma Goldman. We came up with Kim Kardashian, and Greta Thunberg though even that is quite a stretch. I wonder what the implications of these analogies are. If Doctorow is making a point about radicalism, economics, and black militancy in the 20s vs 70s how would that translate to 2020?

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  10. Hmm...I wasn't sure about this at first (I think people did get off a lot easier for murder back in the 1910s), but you've mostly convinced me. Thaw does seem to personify the class contrasts Doctorow was looking to highlight in the first half of the novel -- the book even ends with him, a convicted murderer, gallivanting around as part of a parade. As I think we all know, rich, white, womanizing men "getting away with murder" (so to speak) is nothing new. I don't know if those four qualifiers make Thaw QUITE like Trump, though. I would say Thaw is much more of a thug, and Trump is in a much more polarized time (and therefore more aware of the "danger" he poses to his political opposers).

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  11. The thing about both Trump and Thaw is that they are both just symptoms of a larger system of both capitalism and patriarchy that create people like him. I really don't think that people are inherently born like this, they are just created and brought up in a system that encourages behaviors like this.

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  12. I can definitely see what you mean with Trump basically being a reflection of Thaw. Even more so now with the end of the impeachment trials and Trump being completely acquitted, similar to how Thaw was found innocent in the end. Both times with clear crimes that has been committed and with witness testimonials confirming the crimes. They were also both allowed to live a life of luxury while on trial, Thaw with his fancy cell and Trump being allowed to continue working as president. It’s depressing to see how closely a horrible event from over a century ago lines up with a modern case. We really get to see how little class privilege has been addressed in this supposedly progressive country.

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